{"id":32614,"date":"2022-06-09T21:40:10","date_gmt":"2022-06-09T21:40:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/cjstudents.com\/?p=32614"},"modified":"2022-06-09T21:40:10","modified_gmt":"2022-06-09T21:40:10","slug":"regardless-of-sedition-charges-outcome-proud-boys-and-others-will-still-seek-to-overthrow-govt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/cjstudents.com\/index.php\/2022\/06\/09\/regardless-of-sedition-charges-outcome-proud-boys-and-others-will-still-seek-to-overthrow-govt\/","title":{"rendered":"Regardless Of Sedition Charges\u2019 Outcome, Proud Boys And Others Will Still Seek To Overthrow Gov\u2019t"},"content":{"rendered":" [ad_1]\r\n<br>\r\n<br><div id=\"article-content\">\n                  \n\n\n\n\n<p class=\"is-style-sans-serif\"><em>This article is part of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/talkingpointsmemo.com\/cafe\" rel=\"noopener\">TPM Cafe<\/a>, TPM\u2019s home for opinion and news analysis. It was originally published at <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/regardless-of-seditious-conspiracy-charges-outcome-right-wing-groups-like-proud-boys-seek-to-build-a-white-nation-184592\" rel=\"noopener\">The Conversation.<\/a> <\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">As the House Select Committee prepares to begin public hearings on the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, far-right groups including the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.ucpress.edu\/book\/9780520300453\/alt-right-gangs\" rel=\"noopener\">Proud Boys<\/a> and the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cup.columbia.edu\/book\/oath-keepers\/9780231193450\" rel=\"noopener\">Oath Keepers<\/a> are <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2022\/06\/07\/us\/politics\/jan-6-hearings-tv-democrats.html\" rel=\"noopener\">slated to be a topic of discussion<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">At the same time, both of those groups\u2019 <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2022\/06\/06\/us\/politics\/proud-boys-charged-sedition-capitol-attack.html\" rel=\"noopener\">leaders<\/a> are facing <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/dc-md-va\/2022\/06\/06\/tarrio-proud-boys-seditious-conpiracy\/\" rel=\"noopener\">criminal charges<\/a> of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2022\/01\/13\/us\/politics\/oath-keepers-stewart-rhodes.html\" rel=\"noopener\">seditious conspiracy<\/a>. They are alleged to have worked together \u201c<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.documentcloud.org\/documents\/22053617-tarrio-et-al-superseding-indictment\" rel=\"noopener\">to oppose by force the authority<\/a> of the Government of the United States.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n<!-- \/wp:post-content --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">Those charges can be difficult to prove in court. But regardless of the outcome of any prosecution that alleges these groups worked to overthrow the government, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=fjys1XAAAAAJ&amp;hl=en\" rel=\"noopener\">our<\/a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/scholar.google.com\/citations?user=cLpO6QwAAAAJ&amp;hl=en&amp;oi=ao\" rel=\"noopener\">research<\/a> has shown that the more committed members of these and other <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.wiley.com\/en-us\/The+Far+Right+Today-p-9781509536856\" rel=\"noopener\">extreme right-wing groups<\/a> believe that the U.S. government, as currently constituted, is illegitimate and should be overthrown and replaced with one that is based on white supremacy.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2>Violent racism<\/h2>\n<!-- \/wp:heading --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">Proud Boys have identified themselves as \u201c<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.seattletimes.com\/seattle-news\/law-justice\/proud-boys-leader-from-wa-faces-sedition-charge-in-u-s-capitol-insurrection\/\" rel=\"noopener\">Western chauvinists<\/a>\u201d who focus on opposing political correctness and white guilt. But these claims have generally been seen as <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/fighting-hate\/extremist-files\/group\/proud-boys\" rel=\"noopener\">cover for deeper racist and antisemitic sentiments<\/a>. For some Proud Boys members, this group was a steppingstone to more <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/culture\/culture-features\/proud-boys-far-right-group-1183966\/\" rel=\"noopener\">extreme groups, such as The Base<\/a>.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><link rel=\"stylesheet\" href=\"https:\/\/sibforms.com\/forms\/end-form\/build\/sib-styles.css\"\/>\n<div class=\"NewsletterForm --on-article-page --b\">\n  <div>\n    \n    <p>Get TPM in your inbox, twice weekly.<\/p>\n\n    <div class=\"sib-form\">\n      <div id=\"sib-form-container\" class=\"sib-form-container\">\n        \n        <div id=\"error-message\" class=\"sib-form-message-panel\" style=\"font-size:16px; text-align:left; font-family:\" helvetica=\"\" sans-serif=\"\" color:=\"\" background-color:=\"\" border-radius:3px=\"\" border-color:=\"\">\n          <div class=\"sib-form-message-panel__text sib-form-message-panel__text--center\">\n            <svg viewbox=\"0 0 512 512\" class=\"sib-icon sib-notification__icon\">\n              <path d=\"M256 40c118.621 0 216 96.075 216 216 0 119.291-96.61 216-216 216-119.244 0-216-96.562-216-216 0-119.203 96.602-216 216-216m0-32C119.043 8 8 119.083 8 256c0 136.997 111.043 248 248 248s248-111.003 248-248C504 119.083 392.957 8 256 8zm-11.49 120h22.979c6.823 0 12.274 5.682 11.99 12.5l-7 168c-.268 6.428-5.556 11.5-11.99 11.5h-8.979c-6.433 0-11.722-5.073-11.99-11.5l-7-168c-.283-6.818 5.167-12.5 11.99-12.5zM256 340c-15.464 0-28 12.536-28 28s12.536 28 28 28 28-12.536 28-28-12.536-28-28-28z\"\/>\n            <\/svg>\n            <span class=\"sib-form-message-panel__inner-text\">\n              Your subscription could not be saved. 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They are in different degrees of contact and coordination with other chapters. It\u2019s not clear the level of interest \u2013 or capability \u2013 that most members have in actually following through with overthrowing the government.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">Oath Keepers is an anti-government group that calls itself a \u201c<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/cup.columbia.edu\/book\/oath-keepers\/9780231193450\" rel=\"noopener\">militia<\/a>\u201d focused on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/fighting-hate\/extremist-files\/group\/oath-keepers\" rel=\"noopener\">defending the Constitution and fighting tyranny<\/a>. Former Oath Keepers spokesman Jason Van Tatenhove stated that the group is actually \u201c<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/US\/oath-keepers-spokesperson-warns-wing-propaganda-dangerous-bullets\/story?id=82094999\" rel=\"noopener\">selling the revolution<\/a>,\u201d meaning that the group is pushing conspiracy theories and propaganda to facilitate confrontations with federal law enforcement.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">While members of the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/ctc.westpoint.edu\/pride-prejudice-the-violent-evolution-of-the-proud-boys\/\" rel=\"noopener\">Proud Boys<\/a> have concentrated their confrontations on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/what-or-who-is-antifa-140147\" rel=\"noopener\">anti-fascists<\/a> or other protesters, Oath Keepers have participated in several armed standoffs against the government.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">In 2014, the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/abcnews.go.com\/US\/standoff-nevada-years-ago-set-militia-movement-crash\/story?id=82051940\" rel=\"noopener\">Oath Keepers joined an armed standoff<\/a> between far-right patriot groups in Nevada on behalf of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/podcasts\/606441988\/bundyville\" rel=\"noopener\">Cliven Bundy<\/a>. In 2015, Oath Keepers showed up heavily armed in Ferguson, Missouri, during protests over the killing of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/culture\/culture-news\/the-oath-keeper-who-wants-to-arm-black-lives-matter-59109\/\" rel=\"noopener\">Michael Brown<\/a>. And in 2016, Oath Keepers were present at the armed takeover of the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.vox.com\/policy-and-politics\/2016\/11\/7\/13489640\/oath-keepers-donald-trump-voter-fraud-intimidation-rigged\" rel=\"noopener\">Malheur National Wildlife Refuge<\/a> in Oregon.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:heading -->\n<h2>A challenging road<\/h2>\n<!-- \/wp:heading --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">Historically, prosecutions of seditious conspiracy charges succeeded against <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/archive\/politics\/1995\/10\/02\/sheik-9-others-convicted-in-ny-bomb\/5bd7099a-f960-4d32-b02d-8165302dd594\/\" rel=\"noopener\">militant Islamist<\/a> or <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/1989\/01\/12\/us\/after-9-months-of-delays-us-tries-3-for-sedition.html\" rel=\"noopener\">Marxist groups<\/a>.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">But prosecuting far-right groups has tended to be much more difficult. In 1988, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hup.harvard.edu\/catalog.php?isbn=9780674286078\" rel=\"noopener\">Louis Beam, a figurehead in the white power movement<\/a>, and 13 white supremacists from groups such as the Aryan Brotherhood and the Ku Klux Klan were <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/article\/604c50e36bd020ac70be35445b12d059\" rel=\"noopener\">acquitted<\/a> of conspiring to kill a federal judge and an FBI agent and plotting to overthrow the federal government to establish an all-white nation in the Pacific Northwest.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">In 2012, charges of seditious conspiracy against members of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.npr.org\/2010\/04\/12\/125856761\/how-the-fbi-got-inside-the-hutaree-militia\" rel=\"noopener\">Hutaree<\/a>, a militant far-right <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/the-capitol-siege-recalls-past-acts-of-christian-nationalist-violence-153059\" rel=\"noopener\">Christian nationalist<\/a> group, were <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/us-usa-security-hutaree\/three-hutaree-militia-members-sentenced-in-detroit-to-time-served-idUSBRE8770ZQ20120808\" rel=\"noopener\">dismissed<\/a> after the judge concluded the government had not proved there was an actual conspiracy.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-serif\">But it is clear from the charges stemming from the Jan. 6 insurrection \u2013 involving <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/article\/capitol-siege-merrick-garland-government-and-politics-conspiracy-crime-c2e427dc0fa16077d7fb98c06e61149f\" rel=\"noopener\">hundreds of alleged participants<\/a> \u2013 that police and prosecutors are <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/contexts.org\/articles\/why-law-enforcement-needs-to-classify-far-right-groups-as-gangs\/\" rel=\"noopener\">taking seriously the threat of violent action<\/a> by <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.start.umd.edu\/publication\/extremist-groupmovement-affiliations-january-6-capitol-rioters\" rel=\"noopener\">Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other far-right groups<\/a> against individuals, organizations and local and national governments.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:tpm\/separator -->\n\n<!-- \/wp:tpm\/separator --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-sans-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-sans-serif\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/profiles\/matthew-valasik-527390\" rel=\"noopener\">Matthew Valasik<\/a> is an Associate Professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/institutions\/university-of-alabama-1654\" rel=\"noopener\">University of Alabama<\/a> and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/profiles\/shannon-reid-605116\" rel=\"noopener\">Shannon Reid<\/a> is an Associate Professor of Criminal Justice and Criminology at <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\/institutions\/university-of-north-carolina-charlotte-2747\" rel=\"noopener\">University of North Carolina \u2013 Charlotte<\/a>.<\/p>\n<!-- \/wp:paragraph --><!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"is-style-sans-serif\"} -->\n<p class=\"is-style-sans-serif\">This article is republished from <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/theconversation.com\" rel=\"noopener\">The Conversation<\/a> under a Creative Commons license. 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